Trump threatens tariffs on imported chips and tech goods despite warnings about higher PC, smartphone prices

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TL;DR: President Donald Trump has reiterated his threat to impose tariffs on foreign-made semiconductor chips, pharmaceuticals, steel, aluminum, and copper "in the near future." Speaking to House Republicans, Trump argued that imposing high tariffs on goods produced outside the United States would incentivize manufacturers to bring production back to the country. "The only way you'll get out of this is to build your plant ... right here in America," he stated.

Trump's speech did not provide additional details about his proposed tariffs. However, speaking to reporters afterward, he stated his intention to implement a "much bigger" tariff rate than the current 2.5 percent. According to Trump, companies need an "incentive" to bring manufacturing back to the US, "and the incentive is going to be they (do not want to) pay a 25 percent, 50 percent, or even a 100 percent tax."

Trump also criticized leading US tech companies – including Apple, AMD, Broadcom, Nvidia, and Qualcomm – for relying on Taiwan's TSMC for chip imports. He expressed confidence that imposing high tariffs would compel these companies to invest in domestic semiconductor manufacturing. Additionally, he described the CHIPS Act as wasteful, arguing that companies should not receive public funding to build their factories.

As some observers have pointed out, building semiconductor fabs is a long-term commitment, often requiring several years and tens of billions of dollars. Experts suggest that even if TSMC began construction of a sub-2nm-capable fab in the US this year, it would likely only become operational by 2028 – 2029. In the meantime, the proposed high tariffs could significantly increase the cost of PCs, smartphones, and other consumer electronics.

Supporters of the tariff regime argue that it would reduce reliance on foreign manufacturing, prioritize domestic production, and create thousands of jobs for both skilled and unskilled workers.

In an unexpected comment, Trump praised China's advancements in the AI field, referring to recent news about DeepSeek as a "positive" development and an "asset" for the global tech sector. He noted that if DeepSeek delivers on its promise of accelerating AI training at a lower cost, "that's good (and) I view that as a positive." Trump further stated that China's progress in AI should serve as a "wake-up call" for American tech companies.

Trump's remarks follow his recent threat to impose 25 percent tariffs on goods imported from Canada and Mexico. While he maintains that high tariffs on foreign-made products are in America's best interest, many economists have raised concerns about the potential long-term harm such policies could inflict on the US economy.

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Did you complain about Biden when CPI jumped to 9.1%? How about when food jumped 24%? How about when housing and rent jumped 34%?

Nothing new here..
You mean Biden trying to get the world back on track after Trump left it with COVID ravaging the country, Businesses closed down, people unemployed, and total civil unrest from people spitting each other at Supermarkets, unruly passengers on airplanes and a mob of supporters attacking the U.S Capitol???

I'm actually surprised Biden was able to bring us back to normality after Trump ignored COVID warnings with his "Witch Hunt" conspiracy theories destroying the country with each one of his actions...and now he is ready to do it again thanks to the ignorant voters.
 
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If the plan is to replace the income tax with tarrifs, end the IRS first, otherwise you have just increased taxes rather than replaced them (incidentally replacing other taxes is how we got the income tax in the first place but it will never go over 1% they promised at the time)
 
That's the point, though, right? To raise prices to disincentivise people from buying goods? Tariffs will suck for awhile, but I don't like buying imported goods made with slave labor even if it means I get them at rock bottom prices. The thing is, I don't even have the option to pay more to buy products that aren't made with what is effectively slave labor.

So, yeah, bring on the tariffs. People will hold onto products longer and consume less. I'm a value based consumer. That doesn't mean I'm cheap, it means I'm picky. I don't have a problem with buying something expensive if it provides value to my life or I expect to have it for a long time. Problem is, most crap today is either stuff forces features on you that make it less functional or that it's built so cheaply that you expect it to break. And warranties are useless these days, I completely ignore them. Also, why the **** does my washing machine have a EULA? I miss my old one where I pushed a button and it turned on. Those settings I always used and never changed? Now I have to enter those in manually every time before I hit the start button even lights up and "allows me" to start the wash cycle. **** you LG

Don't get married, guys. A touch screen smart washer was the second worst purchase I ever made. The first was a wedding ring.
 
That's the point, though, right? To raise prices to disincentivise people from buying goods? Tariffs will suck for awhile, but I don't like buying imported goods made with slave labor even if it means I get them at rock bottom prices. The thing is, I don't even have the option to pay more to buy products that aren't made with what is effectively slave labor.

So, yeah, bring on the tariffs. People will hold onto products longer and consume less. I'm a value based consumer. That doesn't mean I'm cheap, it means I'm picky. I don't have a problem with buying something expensive if it provides value to my life or I expect to have it for a long time. Problem is, most crap today is either stuff forces features on you that make it less functional or that it's built so cheaply that you expect it to break. And warranties are useless these days, I completely ignore them. Also, why the **** does my washing machine have a EULA? I miss my old one where I pushed a button and it turned on. Those settings I always used and never changed? Now I have to enter those in manually every time before I hit the start button even lights up and "allows me" to start the wash cycle. **** you LG

Don't get married, guys. A touch screen smart washer was the second worst purchase I ever made. The first was a wedding ring.
So would you feel comfortable paying 3x as much for a product "made in America" by a robot?...as you know well no American company would hire personnel when a robot can do it faster.....

At least those other countries have actual humans happy to get paid for what we consume.
 
This is by far the worst of his bluff though: What's the plan here? People *must* have told him it is not just fiscally but physically impossible to rebuild all TSMC fabs in the US within a timeframe that wouldn't crash the economy, like the laws of physics do not care about a tariff war.

But more over, what's the possible play for Taiwan here? Do they just let TSMC move 100% away and basically let the CCP launch an invasion with literally nothing to stop them from doing so?

Like seriously what can possibly be accomplished by this move if it was to be serious? Taiwan says no and the US plummets into a technology dark age while the rest of the world thrives? Taiwan says yes, gets invaded by the CCP and probably is not able to protect their tech in time since as discussed, it would literally take several years to just get a few of the fabs moved over?

Look, we know ridiculous threats actually do work against weakened, subservient economies: Petro from Colombia learn that the hard way over the weekend. But do you they seriously think corporations like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. That absolutely depend on TSMC remaining alive for the time being will be as easy to push over and submit to 25-100% tariffs?

If he wants to bluff his way into constructing more US based fabs, threats have to actually be believable, feasible. Otherwise he'll look like a clown once he backs down and trust me, the rest of the US State apparatus is *NOT* ready to go to war with China right this second or to basically lose the support of most of the money people.
 
So would you feel comfortable paying 3x as much for a product "made in America" by a robot?...as you know well no American company would hire personnel when a robot can do it faster.....

At least those other countries have actual humans happy to get paid for what we consume.
Actually, yes, I would. My biggest problem is the working conditions in third world countries that companies use to make things as cheaply as possible in the race to the bottom.

And you're thinking about jobs and the labor market wrong. You don't get rich mining for gold, you make money selling picks and pans to the miners. How about you get a job assembling and maintaining the robots in a factory? Automechanic wasn't a job when we all used horses.
 
Building semiconductor fabs in the US is a great long-term goal, but tariffs alone won’t solve the issue. It’s like trying to grow a tree faster by yelling at the seed—there’s a process, and it takes time and investment.
Tariffs have a secondary goal noone talks about, to increase tax revenue and the trump tariffs are expected to raise tax revenue by $500B a year.
 
If a product was $1000 at a sale tax 10% this means $1100 real price.
With the new import tariffs same $1000 product + 50% tariff +10% sale tax it's going to cost US $1650.
Winter's coming for US...

I wonder if you buy from Canada and get back to US as a person the import tariff will apply or not.
 
Actually, yes, I would. My biggest problem is the working conditions in third world countries that companies use to make things as cheaply as possible in the race to the bottom.

And you're thinking about jobs and the labor market wrong. You don't get rich mining for gold, you make money selling picks and pans to the miners. How about you get a job assembling and maintaining the robots in a factory? Automechanic wasn't a job when we all used horses.
I can guarantee you those 3rd world countries are perfectly happy to work for pennies than having no work at all....you need to stop thinking like the typical American, not everyone in the world has the luxury to demand well paid jobs when there are barely anything to work on.
 
Taiwan (Republic of China) is a first world country. It is not the 3rd world.
TSMC is simply a spec in the grand scheme of things on the global market. Fun fact, TSMC doesn't apply to trumps China tariffs because it isn't China. The Chips act, a bipartisan deal, is meant to bring chip lanufacturing back to the US for national security reasons. It's everything else surrounding the chips like boards, caps, transistors, electrical connectors that are being taxed. It's everything assembled around the chips that are getting taxed. We'll, the final product after assembly is getting taxed. The point is there is nothing stopping someone from buying TSMC chips at market value, importing them into the US and putting them on PCBs.
 
I can guarantee you those 3rd world countries are perfectly happy to work for pennies than having no work at all....you need to stop thinking like the typical American, not everyone in the world has the luxury to demand well paid jobs when there are barely anything to work on.
It's American capitalism that turned them into the shitholes they are and actively prevent them from joining the first world. It is in the US economies best interest to keep them in the third world and preventing development for the sole purpose of exploiting their labor.
 
It's American capitalism that turned them into the shitholes they are and actively prevent them from joining the first world. It is in the US economies best interest to keep them in the third world and preventing development for the sole purpose of exploiting their labor.
Agree, Americans kept those countries away from being prosperous, but now it's too late, those countries ONLY economy source comes from exportation....and all because we wanted Americans to be less on the fields and more in the classrooms.....and it sadly worked even if hurts everyone else in the process.
 
What's with everyone choosing business and politicial figureheads as their champions, choosing sides? Be on your own side. Anyone with north of a billion, and most with a little less would just as soon burn your grandma to keep their mansions warm. Wake up. Make your own Kool-Aid. Develop your own perspective.
 
Tariffs have a secondary goal noone talks about, to increase tax revenue and the trump tariffs are expected to raise tax revenue by $500B a year.

Yes, it is a roundabout way of increasing taxes on the consumer...and these types of sales taxes hurt the middle and lower classes the most.

If raising taxes and helping domestic companies was the goal, the better way to do it is to stop giving the rich the vast majority of the tax cuts (income and capital gains tax cuts) and giving the excess revenue as subsidies or offset it with tax cuts to domestic buisnesses.
 
Congratulations America. This is what happens when you underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. You elected him, now enjoy the consequences.

"The only way you'll get out of this is to build your plant ... right here in America," he stated.

Hilarious. Yes, build your plant in America where it costs 3-5x more to manufacture anything compared to the rest of the world. America, where uneducated voters with only a high school diploma expect to make $30+/hr for simply pushing a button in a manufacturing plant. America, where Trump voters think the future is in digging coal and oil out of the ground and despise renewable energy.
 
Tariffs have a secondary goal noone talks about, to increase tax revenue and the trump tariffs are expected to raise tax revenue by $500B a year.
Yes, and where is that extra "tax" going to go that the government collects? Right into the pockets of millionaires and billionaires, just as the Orange Grifter promised.

PS. - You'd have to be extra stupid not to realize what's really going on. Trump is actually taxing the American people while pretending he's sticking it to the big globalist corporations who exported all the jobs to China or *insert your favorite hated country here*. I think it's hilarious.
 
TSMC is simply a spec in the grand scheme of things on the global market. Fun fact, TSMC doesn't apply to trumps China tariffs because it isn't China. The Chips act, a bipartisan deal, is meant to bring chip lanufacturing back to the US for national security reasons. It's everything else surrounding the chips like boards, caps, transistors, electrical connectors that are being taxed. It's everything assembled around the chips that are getting taxed. We'll, the final product after assembly is getting taxed. The point is there is nothing stopping someone from buying TSMC chips at market value, importing them into the US and putting them on PCBs.

TSMC is the main focus in the global market of semiconductors and Taiwan is the world's biggest microchip producer.

These are not "China" tariffs. These are everybody tariffs.

Tariffs on microchips will hit the People's Republic of China less, but will hit Republic of China (Taiwan) more.

Trump is tariffing everyone including US allies Canada, Mexico, EU, etc - not just mainland China.

Trump has been trying to get TSMC to move production to the US...which they would never do because that would make them strategically worthless and make the US less likely to protect them. It is not the assembly of the perhipheral parts that is valuable but the creation of the semiconductors and microchips themselves that is valuable.

Trump's current tariff threat against Taiwan will be tariffing a developed first world country and a US ally to pressure it to move their crown jewels to the US.
 
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