US copyright groups push for internet site blocking to combat piracy

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The big picture: If the major players in the copyright protection game get their way, ordering internet providers to block access to piracy sites may become a reality in the US very soon. That was one of the main takeaways from last week's anti-piracy symposium organized by the US Patent and Trademark Office.

The symposium brought together prosecutors, industry representatives, and anti-piracy experts to discuss the latest piracy trends and potential solutions. TorrentFreak reports that when it came to new measures, site blocking was heavily pushed as an effective remedy that the US has been lacking.

Part of the urgency seems to be that online piracy has "matured" into an increasingly professional and sophisticated criminal enterprise, according to the experts.

Steven Hawley from Piracy Monitor described it as a "multichannel, multilevel industry, multinational phenomenon," where aspiring pirates can easily access "Piracy as a Service" tools to get up and running with sleek platforms and delivery systems.

Marissa Bostick from the Motion Picture Association (MPA) noted that this increase in piracy professionalism has gone hand-in-hand with a shift toward more paid piracy services like Magis TV's IPTV offerings. Moreover, these pirates are operating more openly, according to Bostick, even going so far as to advertise their services on billboards and apply for trademarks.

With such an evolving, lucrative, and brazen piracy landscape, the copyright holders understandably want stronger tools to fight piracy on US soil. Site blocking seems to be their preferred next step.

Lui Simpson from the Association of American Publishers echoed this sentiment, saying the US is "lagging far behind" other nations on this issue after the failed SOPA effort in 2012.

Of course, a US site-blocking system would need to be carefully implemented to avoid overblocking legitimate sites, an issue that has plagued Italy's controversial "Piracy Shield." There are also concerns about pirate sites resurfacing under new domains after being blocked.

But Bostick insisted that the MPA has over 10 years of global site blocking experience to draw from in order to "move forward" with a balanced and effective solution that can nimbly adapt to pirates changing domains.

She added that her group has seen site blocking work successfully in over 50 other countries so far, including major markets such as the UK, Canada, Australia, and Germany. She's hopeful site-blocking legislation could move forward in the US with bipartisan support.

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This will never work. Now that everyone wants their cut in the streaming market and has become extremely fractured making subbing to all streaming services MORE expensive than cable, piracy will continue to be a thing. IP holders need to stop over charging for mass.produced garbage. Then the whole "rental" thing and you aren't actually buying digital copies thing just makes people angry. Why am I going to BUY something so I can't own it. Why am I trading money for something.

If it was cheaper, like it originally was, we'd see a drop in piracy. The thing is, piracy solves a problem that the IP holders created thenselves.
 
People pirating movies and shows?...That's what happens when there are a ton of streaming services overcharging the consumer for mostly subpar content.

Remember when people used to pirate MP3s?....That stopped when music became more available to listen to without the need of a subscription through YouTube taking away the need of people downloading it.

It's human nature to try to get what we want by any means when we are being overcharged.
 
Steven Hawley from Piracy Monitor described it as a "multichannel, multilevel industry, multinational phenomenon," where aspiring pirates can easily access "Piracy as a Service" tools to get up and running with sleek platforms and delivery systems.

Serious spin here.. there have been easy tools to manage this for at least the last 20 years. Nothing has got worse or become any easier (or harder) than it has ever been.

I live in one of the "major successful site blocking" countries listed, and have managed to still find what I need, as well as nearly anyone half technological literate that I know. Major ****ing fail if that is their selling point.
 
I'd also say that moving from physical to more digital so that no one really has ownership anymore helps push piracy, too. All you are doing with digital is paying to rent, you have zero ownership. If a movie/show you paid to "own" on your digital membership, and that membership is revoked or the company dissolves, you have nothing.

Not everyone wants digital rentalship.
 
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I actually don't mind the digital rentalship mentality when it comes to passive media such as video and music; especially with video the time and attention it takes of me to consume it means it usually is a one and done kind of thing. There have been very few instances in the last 5 years where I liked something enough that I would want to watch again; and when that did happen I happily ordered it in bluray to physically own.

However, the fact that my viewing/listening habits have not increased (and in some cases decreased) while the cost of access continues to increase especially as the market continues to granulate, all while the media that wish to or I might have consumed gets cycled out of circulation makes me consider that pirate outfit I have in closet more and more.
 
Let me download my own unprotected copy of a movie in full video and audio resolution similiar to buying and downloading music from Amazon (I assume this is still the case, but I now just pay for Amazon music because I can find any song I want).

When Netflix came out I thought I no longer needed to have my own movie collection (dvds, jewel boxes, storage space). Now I continue to record cable, remove ads, to get the movies I want to watch on demand without barriers, ads, bad UIs. If a movie doesn’t record well, I have no qualms getting it from another source so I have a good copy.

I still pay for various streaming services but will often watch my own copy rather than trying to find which service may have it. Also, sound is much better from a dvd and even from cable than from the streaming services (my hearing is declining).

Bad and mispriced service and products likely encourages piracy. I recall an EU study, that was buried until dug up, that showed piracy had little or no impact on the economics of movies, music, and games. How about an updated independent study to justify current and proposed control measures?
 
Pirates are going to be creative. I can just see creative hackers starting to infiltrate ISPs and start changing blocked IPs to legitimate ones and that would surely be something to watch.
 
If you think you're being over-charged now............just wait until they -I.e. mostly the mob who are doing the over-charging - (hopefully never) completely stamp out piracy.
 
This will never work. Now that everyone wants their cut in the streaming market and has become extremely fractured making subbing to all streaming services MORE expensive than cable, piracy will continue to be a thing. IP holders need to stop over charging for mass.produced garbage. Then the whole "rental" thing and you aren't actually buying digital copies thing just makes people angry. Why am I going to BUY something so I can't own it. Why am I trading money for something.

If it was cheaper, like it originally was, we'd see a drop in piracy. The thing is, piracy solves a problem that the IP holders created thenselves.

Not sure what you're on about. I could sub to every streamer and it's still cheaper than traditional TV. Not by much, but it is. That said if people keep pushing for Internet to be a utility it will happen in a heartbeat.
 
The big picture: If the major players in the copyright protection game get their way, ordering internet providers to block access to piracy sites may become a reality in the US very soon. That was one of the main takeaways from last week's anti-piracy symposium organized by the US Patent and Trademark Office.

The symposium brought together prosecutors, industry representatives, and anti-piracy experts to discuss the latest piracy trends and potential solutions. TorrentFreak reports that when it came to new measures, site blocking was heavily pushed as an effective remedy that the US has been lacking.

Part of the urgency seems to be that online piracy has "matured" into an increasingly professional and sophisticated criminal enterprise, according to the experts.

Steven Hawley from Piracy Monitor described it as a "multichannel, multilevel industry, multinational phenomenon," where aspiring pirates can easily access "Piracy as a Service" tools to get up and running with sleek platforms and delivery systems.

Marissa Bostick from the Motion Picture Association (MPA) noted that this increase in piracy professionalism has gone hand-in-hand with a shift toward more paid piracy services like Magis TV's IPTV offerings. Moreover, these pirates are operating more openly, according to Bostick, even going so far as to advertise their services on billboards and apply for trademarks.

With such an evolving, lucrative, and brazen piracy landscape, the copyright holders understandably want stronger tools to fight piracy on US soil. Site blocking seems to be their preferred next step.

Lui Simpson from the Association of American Publishers echoed this sentiment, saying the US is "lagging far behind" other nations on this issue after the failed SOPA effort in 2012.

Of course, a US site-blocking system would need to be carefully implemented to avoid overblocking legitimate sites, an issue that has plagued Italy's controversial "Piracy Shield." There are also concerns about pirate sites resurfacing under new domains after being blocked.

But Bostick insisted that the MPA has over 10 years of global site blocking experience to draw from in order to "move forward" with a balanced and effective solution that can nimbly adapt to pirates changing domains.

She added that her group has seen site blocking work successfully in over 50 other countries so far, including major markets such as the UK, Canada, Australia, and Germany. She's hopeful site-blocking legislation could move forward in the US with bipartisan support.

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And yet, people want to make ISP's a public utility. You do realize that if that happens, this is the first kind of stuff happening, right? Like, immediately site blocking will happen and there will be nothing to stop it from happening.

The Internet needs to remain a wild west style domain. If you take that away, it loses all purpose.
 
I'd also say that moving from physical to more digital so that no one really has ownership anymore helps push piracy, too. All you are doing with digital is paying to rent, you have zero ownership. If a movie/show you paid to "own" on your digital membership, and that membership is revoked or the company dissolves, you have nothing.

Not everyone wants digital rentalship.
You never did have ownership. You cannot own movies, shows, music, or software. You lease it. It has been that way since the copyright system was invented. You do not own those things, period. They can take them away from you at any time, with zero refund. It has always been that way.
 
You never did have ownership. You cannot own movies, shows, music, or software. You lease it. It has been that way since the copyright system was invented. You do not own those things, period. They can take them away from you at any time, with zero refund. It has always been that way.
The problem is, you're thinking that I'm claiming ownership to the material on the disc. I'm not. I'm claiming ownership to the disc and I am free to use that disc how I want for my personal needs.

As long as I'm not redistributing the material on the disc in any illegal manner, the disc is mine and I'm free to do with it as I want.

With digital I do not get that option. The material isn't on a physical medium for me to use for my personal needs. I have to rely on the digital platform to be functional to allow access to said material when I want to use it, but if that digital platform cancels my account or the company dissolves then my access to that content is now forfeit. All I did was give away money for rental purposes. If I purchase a movie/game on physical media and that company that created said content goes kaput, I still have my access to the content because it is in a physical medium that is in my possession.
 
Let me download my own unprotected copy of a movie in full video and audio resolution similiar to buying and downloading music from Amazon (I assume this is still the case, but I now just pay for Amazon music because I can find any song I want).

When Netflix came out I thought I no longer needed to have my own movie collection (dvds, jewel boxes, storage space). Now I continue to record cable, remove ads, to get the movies I want to watch on demand without barriers, ads, bad UIs. If a movie doesn’t record well, I have no qualms getting it from another source so I have a good copy.

I still pay for various streaming services but will often watch my own copy rather than trying to find which service may have it. Also, sound is much better from a dvd and even from cable than from the streaming services (my hearing is declining).

Bad and mispriced service and products likely encourages piracy. I recall an EU study, that was buried until dug up, that showed piracy had little or no impact on the economics of movies, music, and games. How about an updated independent study to justify current and proposed control measures?
It's not just your hearing that may be going, because honestly in the past 15 years or so the audio quality in movies has tanked. So many movies no longer setup audio properly - you get a quiet part that is so quiet you can't hear it so you turn the volume up....5 minutes later an action sequence starts and then the music and audio in the movie are now so loud it's blowing out your eardrums. Sadly, because of this, I just run closed caption all the time now. I get tired of turning up the volume during the quiet parts and then scrambling to turn it down again during the loud parts.

Years ago audio was better balanced, the quiet parts were quiet, but easy to hear without the need of adjusting the volume. And the loud parts were loud, but not so loud as it hurt your ears. I don't know why it became an accepted method for audio editing, but it sucks and I wish these companies would take the time to do things properly.

As for piracy, it never impacted the bottom sale of a media, it was just something the developer/publisher would say to justify bad sales or push the idea that DRM is a must! Those that pirate are always going to pirate and were never going to pay for it anyway, so it isn't a loss sale.
 
This will never work. Now that everyone wants their cut in the streaming market and has become extremely fractured making subbing to all streaming services MORE expensive than cable, piracy will continue to be a thing. IP holders need to stop over charging for mass.produced garbage. Then the whole "rental" thing and you aren't actually buying digital copies thing just makes people angry. Why am I going to BUY something so I can't own it. Why am I trading money for something.

If it was cheaper, like it originally was, we'd see a drop in piracy. The thing is, piracy solves a problem that the IP holders created thenselves.
netflix took off as it was a one stop shop, and their prices varied by region based on piracy levels initially if I recall... that was how many years ago... piracy dropped.... then business being business want all of the cake. fractured netflix and wondering why piracy is on the up again.. I think Gabe said it best... its a service issue...
 
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