Nvidia RTX 4060 vs. Intel Arc B580: 50 Game Benchmark

Considering what some of the leaked 50 series benchmarks are saying and how far off a 5060 release is, I think the B580 is a perfectly reasonable card for people. If they have an older CPU and plan on upgrading their core system(CPU, MOBO and RAM) within the next 12 months, I still think it's the better buy. It's not a fantastic card but it is certainly priced right. Then there is the Linux driver issue. nVidia's DLSS and other "highend" features still don't work on Linux without LOTS of jank and and some higher level Linux tinkering. While Intel's linux drivers aren't nearly as good as AMD's, they are still worlds better than nVidia's.

And mark my words, I have a feeling that if NV does get their linux game together, their software suite will only work with the 50 series on Linux.

With the release of SteamOS coming sometime this year, people looking at a new graphics card should seriously start looking at Linux support. I doubt this year, or even next year, will be the year of the Linux desktop, but that day isn't as far away as people think.
 
Excellent data set, it paints the picture perfectly, a lot of potential on the B580 GPU but Intel has to work harder on the drivers to counter the bad performance on some games, I'm pretty sure this is possible and if Intel expects confidence from the PC gaming community, they have to work out quickly this performance slumps.
 
I am currently using a B580 (snagged one on day 2 of release from Newegg) in my i5-12600K with 32GB DDR4.
Upgraded from my trusty old GTX 1070.
1440 on my ultrawide is very smooth, and the biggest change is in the 1% and .1% lows.
As I got it at $249.99 (Intel OEM), the value is there.
 
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I'm still buying one as soon as I can find one. I've been watching since I read the first reviews, but have not found any except overpriced Gunnirs in stock at any of my usual online haunts.

Using AMD CPUs is like using the metric system to me - I think in Intel, so I have to go to userbenchmark to convert Ryzen to Core and see where my i5-13600K is. :)
 
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I'm still buying one as soon as I can find one. I've been watching since I read the first reviews, but have not found any except overpriced Gunnirs in stock at any of my usual online haunts.

Using AMD CPUs is like using the metric system to me - I think in Intel, so I have to go to userbenchmark to convert Ryzen to Core and see where my i5-13600K is. :)
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Userbenchmark? What are they putting in the water?
 
That blue and white card begs to be inside a blue and white PC build. Did you guys notice it has a black backplate as well?
If intel spends as much time and attention on the quality of their GPUs as the artists on design, they will do just fine.
 
Well... We laughed at Intel first dGPUs and now it's rivaling RTX 4060... Feels like in a few years we may be looking after Intel to save us from NVidia dominance instead of AMD.

I like AMD but feels like AMD GPUs are stuck the same as AMD CPUs was just before Ryzen. I also hope AMD make a big stried on the right direction with their dGPUs but this seems really unlike nowadays.
 
Occasionally the performance of an RTX 4060... as long as your CPU isn’t still running Windows 7 in spirit. But hey, 12GB VRAM for $250 is a tempting stallion, even with a hiccup or two.
 
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Considering what some of the leaked 50 series benchmarks are saying and how far off a 5060 release is, I think the B580 is a perfectly reasonable card for people. If they have an older CPU and plan on upgrading their core system(CPU, MOBO and RAM) within the next 12 months, I still think it's the better buy. It's not a fantastic card but it is certainly priced right. Then there is the Linux driver issue. nVidia's DLSS and other "highend" features still don't work on Linux without LOTS of jank and and some higher level Linux tinkering. While Intel's linux drivers aren't nearly as good as AMD's, they are still worlds better than nVidia's.

And mark my words, I have a feeling that if NV does get their linux game together, their software suite will only work with the 50 series on Linux.

With the release of SteamOS coming sometime this year, people looking at a new graphics card should seriously start looking at Linux support. I doubt this year, or even next year, will be the year of the Linux desktop, but that day isn't as far away as people think.
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I haven't noticed any issues with the Nvidia driver other than having to wait for a new version when there is a new version of Linux (such as 6.13 that just came out). I usually don't mess with settings other than screen resolution and turning on vsync, but I haven't noticed any issues with the driver. Is there something I can test out to see what you're talking about?
 
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I haven't noticed any issues with the Nvidia driver other than having to wait for a new version when there is a new version of Linux (such as 6.13 that just came out). I usually don't mess with settings other than screen resolution and turning on vsync, but I haven't noticed any issues with the driver. Is there something I can test out to see what you're talking about?
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Well start with what distro you are using. Some are easier than others and it also depends on what card you have. People have been having problems with DLSS and framegen. Lots of people think that it's working, but many applications default to FSR without them realizing. The hack to make DLSS3/3.5 work on Linux actually involves replacing the FSR library with cracked DLSS libraries. Some of these things can be handled by compatibility layers, like proton. However, that is a mess in and off itself because it requires the drivers to work outside of a kernal level and ends up in some performance issues.

The only nVidia card I currently have on stock is a 1050ti, so I can't really help much with nVidia hardware outside of what I have read on forums or problems my friends have encountered. I do want to get a *cheap* 40 series card to play around with so I can get some hands on experience with this stuff. My experience is that I don't even know my 6700xt is there because of how flawlessly it works and I also have an A350 in another system that does have some issues with vulkan, but a recent driver update seems to have brought Vulkan support back. There are some weird issues with the Arc GPU with ambient oclussion with banding.

I, just yesterday, upgraded to Mint 22.1(Xia) and that's been a massive improvement for me as far as Quality of Life features. I haven't been using it long enough to encounter any errors at all. Usually I encounter something every couple weeks that will require a few hours of my attention to figure out so we'll see how that goes. The big issues I was having before were with updates acting weird and I would have to manually install applications. The other thing is that Flatpaks weren't working for whatever reason, that seems to be fixed in Mint 22.1.

Frankly, if you aren't having any issues that impact your ability to do what you want on a day-to-day basis, I'd say be happy with it and don't try to look for problems where there aren't any. If you have an NV card and are having a good experience then just be happy you aren't one of the people who are having lots of issues with the card. It is still the communities opinion that if you are serious about Linux, an AMD GPU is the way to go. But as the saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
yRaz said:
Considering what some of the leaked 50 series benchmarks are saying and how far off a 5060 release is, I think the B580 is a perfectly reasonable card for people. If they have an older CPU and plan on upgrading their core system(CPU, MOBO and RAM) within the next 12 months, I still think it's the better buy. It's not a fantastic card but it is certainly priced right. Then there is the Linux driver issue. nVidia's DLSS and other "highend" features still don't work on Linux without LOTS of jank and and some higher level Linux tinkering. While Intel's linux drivers aren't nearly as good as AMD's, they are still worlds better than nVidia's.

And mark my words, I have a feeling that if NV does get their linux game together, their software suite will only work with the 50 series on Linux.

With the release of SteamOS coming sometime this year, people looking at a new graphics card should seriously start looking at Linux support. I doubt this year, or even next year, will be the year of the Linux desktop, but that day isn't as far away as people think.
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I hear it every year "Just wait, Linux is going to take over". But it never happens. The corporations that control the industry won't allow it.

And Valve has stated it won't allow third party marketplaces on Steam OS. So why would anyone want to install an OS that locks you into Steam? I'd rather have Windows. Especially if GPU support from the manufacturer that makes 85% of the worlds dedicated gaming GPUs features doesn't work on it.
 
manowar51 said:
I hear it every year "Just wait, Linux is going to take over". But it never happens. The corporations that control the industry won't allow it.

And Valve has stated it won't allow third party marketplaces on Steam OS. So why would anyone want to install an OS that locks you into Steam? I'd rather have Windows. Especially if GPU support from the manufacturer that makes 85% of the worlds dedicated gaming GPUs features doesn't work on it.
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To my knowledge, steam has said no such thing and it violates not just the Arch license that they're using, but EU law. Also, you already can install them. You can goto any website that has a download for a Linux application and download it there. You don't have to sudo apt install or go through an app manager, you can just download and install the Linux equivalent of an exe file.
 
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Well start with what distro you are using. Some are easier than others and it also depends on what card you have. People have been having problems with DLSS and framegen. Lots of people think that it's working, but many applications default to FSR without them realizing. The hack to make DLSS3/3.5 work on Linux actually involves replacing the FSR library with cracked DLSS libraries. Some of these things can be handled by compatibility layers, like proton. However, that is a mess in and off itself because it requires the drivers to work outside of a kernal level and ends up in some performance issues.

The only nVidia card I currently have on stock is a 1050ti, so I can't really help much with nVidia hardware outside of what I have read on forums or problems my friends have encountered. I do want to get a *cheap* 40 series card to play around with so I can get some hands on experience with this stuff. My experience is that I don't even know my 6700xt is there because of how flawlessly it works and I also have an A350 in another system that does have some issues with vulkan, but a recent driver update seems to have brought Vulkan support back. There are some weird issues with the Arc GPU with ambient oclussion with banding.

I, just yesterday, upgraded to Mint 22.1(Xia) and that's been a massive improvement for me as far as Quality of Life features. I haven't been using it long enough to encounter any errors at all. Usually I encounter something every couple weeks that will require a few hours of my attention to figure out so we'll see how that goes. The big issues I was having before were with updates acting weird and I would have to manually install applications. The other thing is that Flatpaks weren't working for whatever reason, that seems to be fixed in Mint 22.1.

Frankly, if you aren't having any issues that impact your ability to do what you want on a day-to-day basis, I'd say be happy with it and don't try to look for problems where there aren't any. If you have an NV card and are having a good experience then just be happy you aren't one of the people who are having lots of issues with the card. It is still the communities opinion that if you are serious about Linux, an AMD GPU is the way to go. But as the saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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I have a geforce 4070. I'm using Debian, but I compile the Linux kernel using my own configuration (which doesn't include Nuveau since I don't use it) rather than using the debian kernel. I run the latest stable kernel (or mainline kernel once Nvidia updates their driver to support it). I get firmware from git.kernel.org rather than using the Debian package, but that shouldn't matter for Nvidia since they provide theirs with their driver, which I get from the Nvidia web site. I haven't really been trying to run any games other than Steam. You're probably right that I shouldn't go looking for problems, but I was curious where the issues are. I didn't know if I was missing something. I know some people wouldn't want to install their own kernel or drivers outside a package manager because they think it's work, but I enjoy doing a little light hacking.
 
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I have a geforce 4070. I'm using Debian, but I compile the Linux kernel using my own configuration (which doesn't include Nuveau since I don't use it) rather than using the debian kernel. I run the latest stable kernel (or mainline kernel once Nvidia updates their driver to support it). I get firmware from git.kernel.org rather than using the Debian package, but that shouldn't matter for Nvidia since they provide theirs with their driver, which I get from the Nvidia web site. I haven't really been trying to run any games other than Steam.
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That right there is probably why you don't have many issues. I help a lot with people using Mint, it's my favorite and it's also where I started. The thing is, Mint does lots of auto configuration that can cause conflicts with systems that aren't exactly Linux friendly. I try to do as much as possible through steam since it *mostly* does everything for you. I made a great effort to learn WINE even though proton is a thing because that gives me a great insight to what proton is doing on the backend and it really helps when diganosing problems. There are also things like Mod Managers for games like WoW and ESO where knowing wine has helped give me a near-native Windows experience. I don't play WoW, but I do play ESO and EvE.
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You're probably right that I shouldn't go looking for problems, but I was curious where the issues are. I didn't know if I was missing something. I know some people wouldn't want to install their own kernel or drivers outside a package manager because they think it's work, but I enjoy doing a little light hacking.
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Yeah, I definitely understand the hacker feels. It is fun to tinker and I actually have more fun getting things to work rather than actually using them once they are working. There is something joyful about working within limitations and finding solutions within those limitations.

But, hey, enjoy your Linux gaming experience. I'm glad everything is working for you. I plan on getting a 9070 once they come out because my 6700xt is starting to show its age. Into the rack it'll go.
 
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To my knowledge, steam has said no such thing and it violates not just the Arch license that they're using, but EU law. Also, you already can install them. You can goto any website that has a download for a Linux application and download it there. You don't have to sudo apt install or go through an app manager, you can just download and install the Linux equivalent of an exe file.
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I did initially google, and it said there are no third-party marketplaces on Steam. So, I looked up the Arch agreement. The agreement ensures third party software is allowed on Steam OS. In other words, Steam will let you install anything on there, but you will have to do it manually. And Valve will probably offer no support to do it so it's likely not going to be something the average gamer will be able to do. It would be a direct conflict to Valves interest to support other marketplaces on its OS so I really don't ever expect them to do it. If it gets popular the other games marketplaces might spend the money to make a launcher. But only if they see any profit in it. Right now your stuck using complicated work arounds that your or I could manage but not the average member of the public.

But I must say im curious as to why people want Valve to control our eco systems. Valve are not our friends. They take 30% of all games sold on their platform which people seem to be outraged at Apple for but not Valve who don't even own the platform you buy the games for. And they keep trying to switch users into their OS. Back in the day, when steam launched, and I remember it. It was nothing but a DRM tool that everyone hated passionately (Remember unlocking game files on Half Life 2 after installing it?). And they don't make games anymore. At least I haven't seen anything. They just sit there and take your money. I'm certainly not interested in a Steam OS.

I'm not anti-Linux, I quite like it, and I have a lot of professional experience with it. And as a sysadmin I have enough frustrations with Windows to talk the ears off a donkey about it. But mark my words, Linux gaming is not going to be mainstream anytime soon. And if it does become mainstream you can be sure as hell that Nvidia will make sure its features work on it.

I think that there is an opportunity to move gamers onto Linux on ARM devices right now. Before Windows gets its ARM ecosystem together. But I don't see anyone trying. It's a shame because an ARM equipped handheld could actually be reasonably small and not enormous with loud fans and poor battery life like the current crop of PC gaming handhelds. It seems like Apple are currently the ARM gaming champions, and I think they will rise much faster than Linux equipped devices will. Im curious as to the power of the next Apple TV. If its powerful enough it could offer a legitimate console experience. You can already play a lot of games on an Apple TV.  

 
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I did initially google, and it said there are no third-party marketplaces on Steam. So, I looked up the Arch agreement. The agreement ensures third party software is allowed on Steam OS. In other words, Steam will let you install anything on there, but you will have to do it manually. And Valve will probably offer no support to do it so it's likely not going to be something the average gamer will be able to do. It would be a direct conflict to Valves interest to support other marketplaces on its OS so I really don't ever expect them to do it. If it gets popular the other games marketplaces might spend the money to make a launcher. But only if they see any profit in it. Right now your stuck using complicated work arounds that your or I could manage but not the average member of the public.

But I must say im curious as to why people want Valve to control our eco systems. Valve are not our friends. They take 30% of all games sold on their platform which people seem to be outraged at Apple for but not Valve who don't even own the platform you buy the games for. And they keep trying to switch users into their OS. Back in the day, when steam launched, and I remember it. It was nothing but a DRM tool that everyone hated passionately (Remember unlocking game files on Half Life 2 after installing it?). And they don't make games anymore. At least I haven't seen anything. They just sit there and take your money. I'm certainly not interested in a Steam OS.

I'm not anti-Linux, I quite like it, and I have a lot of professional experience with it. And as a sysadmin I have enough frustrations with Windows to talk the ears off a donkey about it. But mark my words, Linux gaming is not going to be mainstream anytime soon. And if it does become mainstream you can be sure as hell that Nvidia will make sure its features work on it.

I think that there is an opportunity to move gamers onto Linux on ARM devices right now. Before Windows gets its ARM ecosystem together. But I don't see anyone trying. It's a shame because an ARM equipped handheld could actually be reasonably small and not enormous with loud fans and poor battery life like the current crop of PC gaming handhelds. It seems like Apple are currently the ARM gaming champions, and I think they will rise much faster than Linux equipped devices will. Im curious as to the power of the next Apple TV. If its powerful enough it could offer a legitimate console experience. You can already play a lot of games on an Apple TV.
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There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin so I simply wont, have a nice day.
 
Given a choice, I think I will still take the Battlemage card simply because it performs well enough and the extra 4GB is going to be beneficial. The RTX 4060 looks ok on paper, but the 8GB VRAM is already starting to become a problem. Lowering the texture settings may help, but I don't know for how long.
 
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